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Jill, thank you for this conversation. For me it elucidated your regard for men and to some extent feminism more broadly, in a very good way. I've taken issue with many feminist beliefs especially having to do with sex differences since my time in college several years ago, but it's always just felt like nothing I said mattered and that feminism was what I needed to believe and do to be a good person regardless of how much sense it made to me. So in recent years I've really been trying to I guess sort of brainwash it into my head by doing and saying feminist things I often didn't actually believe in. To be honest, that's why I listen to this podcast. And that's why it was such a relief to hear you suddenly express with such sincerity your concern for men and boys. I've listened to this episode probably 20 times now between here and on Spotify because it is such a relief and really almost hard to believe what I'm hearing. Again, thank you so much. I hope you enjoy your holidays :)

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